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hello and welcome to the show i'm martin

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willis your host michael lauc will be

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joining us in a moment for the news

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lots of good stuff but first i'd like to

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you in the chat room uh discovery

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finally explains the mystery albeit with

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the same explanations of parasites and

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dozen three dozen head at most and sees

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quite wide you know suspiciously looks

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like an accelerator magnet too though

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my favorite story of the week

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stargate atlantis sylvester mccoy of

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doctor who and gil girard of buck rogers

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among other science fiction celebrities

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our show notes have a link not only to

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the space center houston's page on the

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event but also space.com coverage which

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includes a great 10 minute documentary

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on the restoration of the galileo yeah

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that's pretty cool you know i was at an

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auction house a few years ago in la

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where

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they sold the carpet to the enterprise

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at auction and it went for 11 grand you

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know so can you imagine what this thing

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must have sold for

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61 000

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oh yeah wow and it was a piece of crap

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needed the total restoration it it

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really did i mean it was it was built to

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be a set it had been outside

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for years oh better get mako

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it was well you know it's funny you

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mentioned that because actually it was a

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uh it was a custom car place that built

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the shuttle wow so

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there you go and it was a uh boat

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restoring company that restored it

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so it the documentary is really

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interesting i i will nerd out about star

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trek all day if given the opportunity

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but but it is kind of a cool documentary

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if anyone has the chance to watch it you

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know i think i'd rather not know any of

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that and just pretend that it's all real

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i'm getting a little delusional there

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there's that

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yeah

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and now for the big story of the week

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art bell returns to the airwaves the

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near legendary art bell the original

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host of coast to coast am has announced

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he will be returning to the microphone

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this september on sirius xm satellite

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radio

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his new show art bell's dark matters

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will run 10 p.m to 1 a.m eastern time

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meaning it will not directly compete

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with his old show

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he has stated according to an ap article

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that he is not a fan of current coast

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host george nori because nori is not

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quote unquote edgy enough

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well martin art's back so uh should we

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just throw in the towel or what

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no i'm glad he's back

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that's something he said about norrie as

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a matter of fact uh you know peggy

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wanted to come on this week and uh rant

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on nori and i said no no uh nori lived

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in the same town as michael and michael

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may not like that you

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you have good things to say about old uh

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george nori um

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i loved his local show okay good we can

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add it right there yeah yeah yeah let's

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just send it right there i'm friends

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with art bell on facebook but that's

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nothing special because he has about 4

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000 friends so i i did send him a

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message and ask him if you know he'd be

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on the show for a couple of minutes to

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announce

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that he's uh coming back uh haven't

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heard back probably won't but it's

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always worth a shot trying to get

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someone like him on

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well

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here's my real question

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um

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he's art bill he's got the to to use a

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buzz word from a few years ago the

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gravitas in the field

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but um he's on he's on xm radio i mean

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is he going to have the impact

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that he had before

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like him or not nori's on 500 plus

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stations i mean i think he's the second

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biggest radio show

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in the world now on the biggest

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overnight radio show right

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i think i think rush limbaugh is is the

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only thing ahead of him

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um

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you know

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can xm radio compete with that

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yeah

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uh you know people like howard stern

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you know major major contracts i

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understand why they move over

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to satellite radio

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uh but it's funny it seems like it

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it seems like it's a tougher and tougher

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business to hang in there yeah i mean do

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you have do you have let me i mean no

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you don't have dancers do you have

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serious no i don't i did for a little

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while because it was free for a year in

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my new car you know but

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that's it yeah i don't have it now and

389
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you know i got to be honest with you i

390
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hardly ever listen to it anyway

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i i have their music channels through my

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uh satellite television

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and

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you know

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i guess it's supposed to hook me on it

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what i learned is that there's

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there used to be three music stations i

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would listen to now there's only two

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and my ipod puts both of them to shame

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which is you know years ago at one point

401
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i looked and said you know am i gonna

402
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buy satellite radio or an ipod and i

403
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went with ipod and

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i've been really happy about it and

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that's how you found podcast ufo by the

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way

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uh yeah yeah actually right

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okay michael so is that it for the news

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that is but i'd like to take a second to

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remind everyone that this sunday is the

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first sunday of the month and that means

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it will be the first of the podcast ufo

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live call-in shows oh yes on the all in

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one broadcast dot com that's right at 8

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pm eastern time yeah so don't miss that

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um you can call write directly we'll

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have a phone number up for that we'll

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announce it during the first of the show

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and you can call in it'll be a lot of

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fun and it's going to be just you and i

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this time for a whole hour what the heck

422
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are we going to talk about

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i think we'll probably find something

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maybe about ufos possibly maybe maybe

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we'll do cattle mutilations oh

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we have to do some in-depth research

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quick then

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so you noticed in the first part of this

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show that we have a new intro and we

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also have a new outro and that is a

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composition written

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for this show by carrie whitehouse we

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have another

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composition of his coming up between the

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news here and uh kevin goodman but i

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wanted to thank uh carrie very much for

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uh making us that piece of music we

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talked we kind of rambled a little bit

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today didn't we i think we've done worse

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maybe yeah all right we'll we'll catch

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you next week

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[Music]

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so

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[Music]

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kevin goodman how are you

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00:17:23,669 --> 00:17:20,880
i'm far martin thanks how are you good

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00:17:26,230 --> 00:17:23,679
and where am i skyping you at exactly

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well you're skyping me actually uh in a

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town called starbridge which is about 12

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miles west of birmingham in the midlands

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of england

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i've been born and bred here i moved

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away for a few years and moved back

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about three years ago back to the old

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homeland

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and now here i am were you in warminster

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at one time

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oh i've never lived in the town i've

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always wanted to

460
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um but i was a regular visitor from 1976

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through to the early 80s and then

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dropped out of ufology for personal

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reasons you know you grow up you find

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you know you you marry

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you um you find better things to do with

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your time and then due to personal

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circumstances i rediscovered my

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mojo as they say austin powers would say

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um for the subject uh in 2003 after my

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wife died

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ah

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so you've been back right at it ever

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since 2003 oh god yeah i mean you know

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somebody has to say to me come down to

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walmart tomorrow i'll be there

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well you know since uh i think about the

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last year i've had emails and someone

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just posted on the forum recently that

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they wanted to have you on as a guest so

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alas here you are

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alas indeed i just really hope i can

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live up to the expectations that people

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put in me

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yeah i'm sure well i'm sure you will now

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can you talk about it was not exactly a

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ufo wave but there was something going

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on in the war mister in the warminster

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area

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um during the 60s and 70s can you fill

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in the listening audience exactly what

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was happening

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yeah um

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i mean first of all

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research that i've done into war mr over

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the last

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six seven eight years or so

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has taught me a number of things in so

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much that

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although

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we have a saying over here in the uk and

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i don't know if you have it over there

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in the states is where the smoke there's

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fire although warminster has had a lot

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of detractors over the last 10 or 15

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years due to the sheer amount of

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sightings of ufos and anomalous objects

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that were in the area

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um i saw things in that town which you

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know even now as a season sky watcher

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stroke researcher i find very very

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difficult to rationally explain away now

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to give you a brief history of the war

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mister phenomenon it actually started on

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christmas eve of 1964

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when a

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warmest housewife

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was walking to christmas service at

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christchurch where according to arthur

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shuttlewood she was assailed by sonic

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forces which knocked her to the ground

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leaving her jelly legged

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um

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and just generally sort of been used

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about the whole thing

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now

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it's also been reported that around the

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same time

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other people within the town had heard

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the same sort of thing

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for example roger rump who was then the

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chief postmaster of warminster um

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reported that

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every 5 000 tiles on the roof of his

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house it sounded they'd been lifted off

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and then just dropped down

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and you know you have skeptics and

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skeptics say well how does this man know

538
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there were five thousand times in his

539
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roof simple answer he just had it

540
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oh you mean you have skeptics over there

541
00:20:53,110 --> 00:20:51,039
too oh good god do we have skeptics or

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do we have skeptics

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00:20:58,470 --> 00:20:56,080
yeah i mean i'm i'm always battling

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against those people that say oh warmest

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never happened or you know warmest was

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blown out of all proportion um

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but unfortunately it's the nature of the

548
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beast to a degree now i understand later

549
00:21:12,870 --> 00:21:10,799
on there was act actually things seen in

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the sky were they the things that were

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seen in the sky were they ever

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00:21:21,590 --> 00:21:17,600
accompanied with this sonic phenomenon

553
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no i don't think as as such no

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um

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the the visual manifestation for what a

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better word started around may of 1965

557
00:21:31,750 --> 00:21:30,720
about six months after the sonic sound

558
00:21:32,870 --> 00:21:31,760
started

559
00:21:35,110 --> 00:21:32,880
uh

560
00:21:37,510 --> 00:21:35,120
you know you i would suggest that your

561
00:21:39,430 --> 00:21:37,520
listeners try and track down some of the

562
00:21:41,110 --> 00:21:39,440
books by arthur shuttlewood who wrote

563
00:21:44,149 --> 00:21:41,120
six books in total about the warmester

564
00:21:45,510 --> 00:21:44,159
phenomenon uh to get further details but

565
00:21:47,270 --> 00:21:45,520
for example

566
00:21:49,669 --> 00:21:47,280
uh somebody i think it was on the

567
00:21:51,990 --> 00:21:49,679
central car park in the town was looking

568
00:21:54,390 --> 00:21:52,000
over towards the uh direction of cop

569
00:21:56,470 --> 00:21:54,400
heap now cop heap

570
00:21:58,630 --> 00:21:56,480
is reputed to be an ancient burial

571
00:21:59,909 --> 00:21:58,640
ground where an anglo-saxon chieftain

572
00:22:02,230 --> 00:21:59,919
was buried

573
00:22:05,029 --> 00:22:02,240
and there were two

574
00:22:07,830 --> 00:22:05,039
red-hot pokers in the sky which seemed

575
00:22:10,549 --> 00:22:07,840
to stretch and burst asunder without

576
00:22:12,870 --> 00:22:10,559
sound and then sort of fly away

577
00:22:15,430 --> 00:22:12,880
so that was the start of what was known

578
00:22:17,830 --> 00:22:15,440
as the visual phenomenon in warminster

579
00:22:20,070 --> 00:22:17,840
now this event that took place on

580
00:22:22,230 --> 00:22:20,080
christmas eve in 1964

581
00:22:24,630 --> 00:22:22,240
besides the two accounts there had

582
00:22:26,470 --> 00:22:24,640
everyone in the town basically

583
00:22:27,430 --> 00:22:26,480
experienced this

584
00:22:30,789 --> 00:22:27,440
well

585
00:22:33,110 --> 00:22:30,799
warminster at that time was a very quiet

586
00:22:36,390 --> 00:22:33,120
market town in england and we are

587
00:22:37,750 --> 00:22:36,400
talking now fit nearly 50 years ago

588
00:22:41,190 --> 00:22:37,760
and

589
00:22:43,190 --> 00:22:41,200
ufos were not generally known

590
00:22:46,549 --> 00:22:43,200
by the general public it was a very sort

591
00:22:47,830 --> 00:22:46,559
of very small very cliquey almost

592
00:22:50,549 --> 00:22:47,840
well i don't i don't like to use the

593
00:22:52,230 --> 00:22:50,559
word geeky

594
00:22:54,230 --> 00:22:52,240
subject well

595
00:22:55,830 --> 00:22:54,240
geeky's in these days so you can say

596
00:22:59,430 --> 00:22:55,840
that oh that's what's okay in that case

597
00:23:04,789 --> 00:23:02,950
but um the the the local populace

598
00:23:07,590 --> 00:23:04,799
because they hadn't had

599
00:23:08,470 --> 00:23:07,600
uh exposure to the ufo phenomenon as

600
00:23:11,110 --> 00:23:08,480
such

601
00:23:14,230 --> 00:23:11,120
referred referred to the warminster

602
00:23:17,029 --> 00:23:14,240
phenomenon as the thing

603
00:23:18,310 --> 00:23:17,039
right i've read that and i i like that

604
00:23:19,830 --> 00:23:18,320
you know there was a movie called that

605
00:23:21,110 --> 00:23:19,840
but it was a whole different subject

606
00:23:25,830 --> 00:23:21,120
yeah

607
00:23:27,990 --> 00:23:25,840
uh 1950s

608
00:23:29,510 --> 00:23:28,000
the horror film was redone in this in

609
00:23:31,350 --> 00:23:29,520
the 80s but that's that is beside the

610
00:23:35,029 --> 00:23:31,360
point um

611
00:23:36,950 --> 00:23:35,039
so you have this quiet rural town

612
00:23:39,990 --> 00:23:36,960
that is suddenly being

613
00:23:40,950 --> 00:23:40,000
bombarded by this strange phenomenon

614
00:23:42,710 --> 00:23:40,960
and

615
00:23:44,870 --> 00:23:42,720
the local populists were absolutely

616
00:23:45,669 --> 00:23:44,880
bemused by this you know that they had

617
00:23:49,590 --> 00:23:45,679
no

618
00:23:50,390 --> 00:23:49,600
idea of what it was and such was the

619
00:23:55,270 --> 00:23:50,400
the

620
00:23:57,750 --> 00:23:55,280
august bank holiday of 1965

621
00:24:01,190 --> 00:23:57,760
the local town council actually called

622
00:24:03,669 --> 00:24:01,200
an extraordinary meeting where uh people

623
00:24:05,669 --> 00:24:03,679
from before the british ufo associate

624
00:24:07,830 --> 00:24:05,679
association um

625
00:24:11,430 --> 00:24:07,840
among them john cleary baker

626
00:24:13,350 --> 00:24:11,440
uh were invited to talk to allay

627
00:24:15,750 --> 00:24:13,360
public fears that warmest was about to

628
00:24:16,950 --> 00:24:15,760
be invaded or that there was an invasion

629
00:24:19,909 --> 00:24:16,960
from space

630
00:24:21,029 --> 00:24:19,919
jew on earth so they called your thing

631
00:24:23,830 --> 00:24:21,039
the thing

632
00:24:25,029 --> 00:24:23,840
yeah and and it progressed forward from

633
00:24:27,029 --> 00:24:25,039
there

634
00:24:29,510 --> 00:24:27,039
it progressed forward the problem was

635
00:24:31,669 --> 00:24:29,520
martin that it was self-sustaining to a

636
00:24:33,750 --> 00:24:31,679
degree

637
00:24:36,230 --> 00:24:33,760
for example there was a photograph taken

638
00:24:38,310 --> 00:24:36,240
by a young factory worker by the name of

639
00:24:40,870 --> 00:24:38,320
gordon faulkler which

640
00:24:43,190 --> 00:24:40,880
it's become the iconic

641
00:24:46,870 --> 00:24:43,200
uh photograph of the warminster thing

642
00:24:49,190 --> 00:24:46,880
which is of a low-flying ufo um now the

643
00:24:52,070 --> 00:24:49,200
problem with that photograph is that the

644
00:24:53,750 --> 00:24:52,080
negatives have been lost over the years

645
00:24:55,590 --> 00:24:53,760
and when it was actually published in

646
00:24:57,430 --> 00:24:55,600
one of our major newspapers over here

647
00:24:59,990 --> 00:24:57,440
the daily mirror and they run a center

648
00:25:03,190 --> 00:25:00,000
space a center page spread about the

649
00:25:05,350 --> 00:25:03,200
whole the warmest thing um

650
00:25:08,710 --> 00:25:05,360
it was enlarged so much that the

651
00:25:10,870 --> 00:25:08,720
individual grains of um emulsion on the

652
00:25:12,310 --> 00:25:10,880
negative were clearly visible and the

653
00:25:15,669 --> 00:25:12,320
problem with that photograph is that it

654
00:25:17,110 --> 00:25:15,679
gives no sense of scale no sense of

655
00:25:19,990 --> 00:25:17,120
distance or anything else so the

656
00:25:22,070 --> 00:25:20,000
photograph itself is worthless but

657
00:25:23,590 --> 00:25:22,080
i'm saying that if it was a hoax and i'm

658
00:25:26,310 --> 00:25:23,600
not saying it was and i'm not saying it

659
00:25:28,710 --> 00:25:26,320
wasn't it was a very cleverly put

660
00:25:30,390 --> 00:25:28,720
together piece of photography now is

661
00:25:33,590 --> 00:25:30,400
that image available

662
00:25:35,190 --> 00:25:33,600
on your website for once uh i think it

663
00:25:37,269 --> 00:25:35,200
is i mean i haven't been on the website

664
00:25:39,750 --> 00:25:37,279
for a while because my co-author and

665
00:25:41,990 --> 00:25:39,760
good friend steve dewey actually um sort

666
00:25:43,990 --> 00:25:42,000
of manages the website i just sort of

667
00:25:46,390 --> 00:25:44,000
throw the odd pieces and information at

668
00:25:48,390 --> 00:25:46,400
him and that they're put up um but then

669
00:25:50,630 --> 00:25:48,400
again if anybody is interested if they

670
00:25:52,870 --> 00:25:50,640
just type in warminster ufo warm is the

671
00:25:54,710 --> 00:25:52,880
thing into google images or whatever the

672
00:25:57,190 --> 00:25:54,720
photograph itself will probably come up

673
00:25:59,669 --> 00:25:57,200
okay we also have a facebook page if

674
00:26:01,830 --> 00:25:59,679
anybody wants to join it um if they just

675
00:26:03,029 --> 00:26:01,840
go into facebook and just type in ufo or

676
00:26:04,950 --> 00:26:03,039
instagram it should take them to it as

677
00:26:07,909 --> 00:26:04,960
well but i will say that the the

678
00:26:10,230 --> 00:26:07,919
facebook page is more of a well with

679
00:26:13,190 --> 00:26:10,240
facebook itself it it's more of a social

680
00:26:15,029 --> 00:26:13,200
thing and we do sort of um to a degree

681
00:26:17,669 --> 00:26:15,039
take the take the proverbial out of

682
00:26:19,669 --> 00:26:17,679
ourselves slightly um but it's still a

683
00:26:23,510 --> 00:26:19,679
good repository for any information can

684
00:26:24,789 --> 00:26:23,520
you tell us how long the events kept

685
00:26:27,110 --> 00:26:24,799
happening there

686
00:26:29,430 --> 00:26:27,120
well as i said earlier it was

687
00:26:30,870 --> 00:26:29,440
self-sustaining to an effect

688
00:26:33,510 --> 00:26:30,880
because

689
00:26:36,149 --> 00:26:33,520
after the uh daily mirror article people

690
00:26:38,950 --> 00:26:36,159
flocked to the town

691
00:26:41,590 --> 00:26:38,960
and bearing in mind that warminster

692
00:26:45,110 --> 00:26:41,600
it was and still is to a degree a very

693
00:26:46,950 --> 00:26:45,120
small market town it is the only time

694
00:26:50,789 --> 00:26:46,960
around the august bank holiday period of

695
00:26:53,269 --> 00:26:50,799
1965 that the pubs in that town ran dry

696
00:26:55,669 --> 00:26:53,279
ah there were that many people and

697
00:26:58,149 --> 00:26:55,679
bearing in mind that war mister also has

698
00:27:00,149 --> 00:26:58,159
a school of land warfare

699
00:27:03,350 --> 00:27:00,159
uh which basically trains a lot of the

700
00:27:05,350 --> 00:27:03,360
infantry for the british army so it's a

701
00:27:08,149 --> 00:27:05,360
garrison town and for the pubs to run

702
00:27:09,430 --> 00:27:08,159
dry that is one hell of an amazing thing

703
00:27:11,590 --> 00:27:09,440
to happen

704
00:27:14,070 --> 00:27:11,600
and when all these people flocked to

705
00:27:15,750 --> 00:27:14,080
that area were sightings happening

706
00:27:18,310 --> 00:27:15,760
sightings were happening you know

707
00:27:21,430 --> 00:27:18,320
there's no two ways about it but again

708
00:27:23,430 --> 00:27:21,440
you know i i have a slight theory

709
00:27:24,870 --> 00:27:23,440
um about all of this

710
00:27:27,269 --> 00:27:24,880
in that

711
00:27:30,710 --> 00:27:27,279
war minster happened

712
00:27:32,870 --> 00:27:30,720
at not a crucial time in society

713
00:27:35,430 --> 00:27:32,880
but it was the dawning of what was then

714
00:27:37,269 --> 00:27:35,440
known as the age of aquarius

715
00:27:39,029 --> 00:27:37,279
it was the start of the burgeoning

716
00:27:41,909 --> 00:27:39,039
hippie movement

717
00:27:45,269 --> 00:27:41,919
consciousnesses were changing from going

718
00:27:47,750 --> 00:27:45,279
from shall we say traditional religion

719
00:27:49,669 --> 00:27:47,760
um to you know the youth of the day

720
00:27:52,149 --> 00:27:49,679
wanted to look outwards

721
00:27:54,710 --> 00:27:52,159
rather than spiritually inwards

722
00:27:56,230 --> 00:27:54,720
and people would go to the town

723
00:27:57,669 --> 00:27:56,240
see something

724
00:27:59,190 --> 00:27:57,679
they'd go away

725
00:28:01,269 --> 00:27:59,200
tell their friends their things and

726
00:28:04,230 --> 00:28:01,279
think oh you know that's interesting

727
00:28:07,350 --> 00:28:04,240
we'll go they'll go there see something

728
00:28:08,149 --> 00:28:07,360
go back tell their friends and the whole

729
00:28:10,710 --> 00:28:08,159
thing

730
00:28:12,630 --> 00:28:10,720
was almost self-sustaining for nearly 15

731
00:28:14,230 --> 00:28:12,640
years i mean the whole thing really

732
00:28:17,830 --> 00:28:14,240
petered out at around the end of the

733
00:28:18,870 --> 00:28:17,840
1970s that sounds like a a woodstock or

734
00:28:20,950 --> 00:28:18,880
something

735
00:28:22,870 --> 00:28:20,960
yeah i mean absolutely

736
00:28:25,350 --> 00:28:22,880
uh woodstock i think is a very good

737
00:28:26,950 --> 00:28:25,360
analogy to use in the fact is that the

738
00:28:29,269 --> 00:28:26,960
rolling stones

739
00:28:31,190 --> 00:28:29,279
uh gave a concert at longleat house

740
00:28:33,269 --> 00:28:31,200
which is not very far from war mister at

741
00:28:36,389 --> 00:28:33,279
all and it's rumored that they actually

742
00:28:38,389 --> 00:28:36,399
went up onto the hill to sky watch

743
00:28:40,630 --> 00:28:38,399
is that has that ever been confirmed or

744
00:28:43,669 --> 00:28:40,640
is that just hearsay it's it's not been

745
00:28:45,590 --> 00:28:43,679
confirmed it's hearsay but there does

746
00:28:47,269 --> 00:28:45,600
seem to be a you know a great deal well

747
00:28:48,789 --> 00:28:47,279
not let's say a great deal but people

748
00:28:51,269 --> 00:28:48,799
have sort of said yes i remember that

749
00:28:53,430 --> 00:28:51,279
happening wow and you know probably

750
00:28:56,149 --> 00:28:53,440
skipping ahead really quite far but is

751
00:28:59,029 --> 00:28:56,159
what's going on there today very little

752
00:29:02,470 --> 00:28:59,039
i'm afraid uh warminster is about as

753
00:29:06,549 --> 00:29:02,480
ufology active as any major town

754
00:29:09,669 --> 00:29:06,559
in the uk or the us but i'm saying that

755
00:29:11,110 --> 00:29:09,679
the area that i live in now uh some of

756
00:29:14,470 --> 00:29:11,120
your listeners may have heard of

757
00:29:16,230 --> 00:29:14,480
something called the dudley dorito

758
00:29:17,909 --> 00:29:16,240
yeah it does make you smile doesn't it

759
00:29:19,590 --> 00:29:17,919
that's better than the thing

760
00:29:22,310 --> 00:29:19,600
yeah true yeah

761
00:29:24,549 --> 00:29:22,320
i mean dudley is

762
00:29:27,510 --> 00:29:24,559
one of the major towns in this area and

763
00:29:30,070 --> 00:29:27,520
a triangular shaped black triangular

764
00:29:32,470 --> 00:29:30,080
shape ufo has been seen over the area

765
00:29:35,590 --> 00:29:32,480
for about the last 10 or 15 years

766
00:29:36,710 --> 00:29:35,600
um on a semi-regular basis

767
00:29:42,070 --> 00:29:36,720
now

768
00:29:45,830 --> 00:29:42,080
moderately well respected by not only my

769
00:29:47,990 --> 00:29:45,840
peers but by those who study ufology um

770
00:29:50,470 --> 00:29:48,000
i've had a number of people say to me oh

771
00:29:52,789 --> 00:29:50,480
you know it's secret military technology

772
00:29:54,549 --> 00:29:52,799
they're testing it well all i'll say to

773
00:29:56,549 --> 00:29:54,559
that is why on earth are you testing

774
00:29:57,909 --> 00:29:56,559
other most densely populated areas of

775
00:30:00,070 --> 00:29:57,919
the united kingdom

776
00:30:03,350 --> 00:30:00,080
well not only that i mean i i always

777
00:30:05,350 --> 00:30:03,360
find it hard to believe about these big

778
00:30:07,669 --> 00:30:05,360
black triangles that you hear about over

779
00:30:09,430 --> 00:30:07,679
and over again could we really have that

780
00:30:10,310 --> 00:30:09,440
type of technology that something could

781
00:30:12,710 --> 00:30:10,320
be

782
00:30:16,789 --> 00:30:12,720
you know like a football field wide

783
00:30:18,389 --> 00:30:16,799
and hover silently and move slowly over

784
00:30:19,830 --> 00:30:18,399
um that's what everyone says they

785
00:30:21,269 --> 00:30:19,840
basically do

786
00:30:23,830 --> 00:30:21,279
yeah could we really have that

787
00:30:25,750 --> 00:30:23,840
technology and not know about it

788
00:30:27,669 --> 00:30:25,760
i don't know is the honest answer now

789
00:30:29,590 --> 00:30:27,679
funnily enough that leads me into that

790
00:30:32,870 --> 00:30:29,600
leads quite nicely

791
00:30:34,789 --> 00:30:32,880
into a sighting that i had in warminster

792
00:30:37,830 --> 00:30:34,799
uh in the

793
00:30:42,389 --> 00:30:37,840
during the easter period of 1977

794
00:30:44,310 --> 00:30:42,399
now i took part in a uk tv program a few

795
00:30:45,990 --> 00:30:44,320
years ago called britain's closest

796
00:30:48,789 --> 00:30:46,000
encounters

797
00:30:51,830 --> 00:30:48,799
and in episode two it was dealing mainly

798
00:30:53,510 --> 00:30:51,840
with the south wales sightings from 1977

799
00:30:55,350 --> 00:30:53,520
to 79

800
00:30:58,389 --> 00:30:55,360
but they decided to shoehorn a little

801
00:31:01,110 --> 00:30:58,399
bit in about war mister because again

802
00:31:03,830 --> 00:31:01,120
going off topic slightly

803
00:31:05,909 --> 00:31:03,840
this shows just how much warmest has

804
00:31:08,310 --> 00:31:05,919
been forgotten

805
00:31:09,990 --> 00:31:08,320
um that i was contacted they wanted to

806
00:31:11,029 --> 00:31:10,000
to talk to somebody by the name of peter

807
00:31:12,950 --> 00:31:11,039
padgett

808
00:31:14,630 --> 00:31:12,960
who was based in walmart at the time who

809
00:31:15,990 --> 00:31:14,640
who i knew and

810
00:31:19,110 --> 00:31:16,000
still know

811
00:31:21,669 --> 00:31:19,120
uh he'd written two books ufo uk and a

812
00:31:23,909 --> 00:31:21,679
book called the welsh triangle

813
00:31:25,590 --> 00:31:23,919
and i said well you know i'm very sorry

814
00:31:27,990 --> 00:31:25,600
at that time i didn't have a contact

815
00:31:29,350 --> 00:31:28,000
address for peter but i said well we

816
00:31:31,430 --> 00:31:29,360
will he be doing anything about war

817
00:31:33,590 --> 00:31:31,440
minister and they went oh mister what

818
00:31:36,870 --> 00:31:33,600
happened there

819
00:31:38,470 --> 00:31:36,880
so i filled them in and then i got um an

820
00:31:40,470 --> 00:31:38,480
invite to go up onto cradle hill in

821
00:31:41,909 --> 00:31:40,480
walmart to film a slight insert for the

822
00:31:44,230 --> 00:31:41,919
program which i did

823
00:31:46,549 --> 00:31:44,240
and they digitally recreated this

824
00:31:50,149 --> 00:31:46,559
sighting i'm about to tell you about

825
00:31:52,310 --> 00:31:50,159
uh as i said it was in easter of 1977

826
00:31:54,870 --> 00:31:52,320
my friend and i colin reese were walking

827
00:31:56,710 --> 00:31:54,880
down from the infamous cops area at the

828
00:31:59,430 --> 00:31:56,720
top of cradle hill

829
00:32:01,669 --> 00:31:59,440
and over from our right where there is a

830
00:32:04,470 --> 00:32:01,679
golf club on the hill next to cradle

831
00:32:07,110 --> 00:32:04,480
hill came four red lights

832
00:32:10,149 --> 00:32:07,120
and they were just flashing and they

833
00:32:12,389 --> 00:32:10,159
were equally distantly spaced apart

834
00:32:14,470 --> 00:32:12,399
they flew over the aforementioned cop

835
00:32:16,789 --> 00:32:14,480
heap which i mentioned earlier on

836
00:32:19,830 --> 00:32:16,799
and station themselves in a horizontal

837
00:32:21,669 --> 00:32:19,840
line over another hill in the area

838
00:32:24,710 --> 00:32:21,679
called battlesbury which again is

839
00:32:27,269 --> 00:32:24,720
supposed to be an iron age fort

840
00:32:30,789 --> 00:32:27,279
these objects just stayed in the line

841
00:32:33,509 --> 00:32:30,799
and flashed intermittently for about a

842
00:32:35,509 --> 00:32:33,519
minute or so then the extreme left hand

843
00:32:36,549 --> 00:32:35,519
object the leader thought of a better

844
00:32:39,509 --> 00:32:36,559
word

845
00:32:40,789 --> 00:32:39,519
shot off horizontally at speed did a

846
00:32:43,269 --> 00:32:40,799
flawless

847
00:32:44,789 --> 00:32:43,279
90 degree turn upwards and shot out of

848
00:32:47,909 --> 00:32:44,799
sight

849
00:32:49,830 --> 00:32:47,919
now this was in 1977

850
00:32:52,230 --> 00:32:49,840
the height of military technology

851
00:32:53,669 --> 00:32:52,240
aviation wise in those days was the

852
00:32:56,149 --> 00:32:53,679
phantom jet

853
00:32:59,110 --> 00:32:56,159
anything that could perform that kind of

854
00:33:00,710 --> 00:32:59,120
maneuver if it had been manned the crew

855
00:33:01,669 --> 00:33:00,720
would have been turned to strawberry

856
00:33:04,310 --> 00:33:01,679
jelly

857
00:33:06,310 --> 00:33:04,320
absolutely right now the other three

858
00:33:08,389 --> 00:33:06,320
lights which stayed in the line then

859
00:33:10,789 --> 00:33:08,399
about a 30 seconds a minute or so later

860
00:33:14,070 --> 00:33:10,799
then just shot straight up into the sky

861
00:33:15,430 --> 00:33:14,080
to that day i still can't explain that

862
00:33:17,830 --> 00:33:15,440
sighting

863
00:33:19,029 --> 00:33:17,840
now you said this happened in 1977 is

864
00:33:21,110 --> 00:33:19,039
that what

865
00:33:23,509 --> 00:33:21,120
that must have been the the initiative

866
00:33:24,870 --> 00:33:23,519
that gets you started in this field

867
00:33:26,230 --> 00:33:24,880
well it wasn't an issue actually that

868
00:33:27,830 --> 00:33:26,240
got me started i mean i've been a

869
00:33:29,590 --> 00:33:27,840
regular visitor i mean i think that was

870
00:33:31,029 --> 00:33:29,600
about my fifth or sixth visit to

871
00:33:31,909 --> 00:33:31,039
warminster

872
00:33:34,789 --> 00:33:31,919
um

873
00:33:37,269 --> 00:33:34,799
and that was the apart from what you

874
00:33:39,029 --> 00:33:37,279
could class satellite transit that went

875
00:33:41,430 --> 00:33:39,039
over

876
00:33:43,590 --> 00:33:41,440
you know that was the first genuine

877
00:33:44,789 --> 00:33:43,600
anomalous sighting that i'd had and we

878
00:33:46,950 --> 00:33:44,799
just stood

879
00:33:48,789 --> 00:33:46,960
at the bottom of that slope

880
00:33:51,509 --> 00:33:48,799
at what was known as the white gates

881
00:33:53,750 --> 00:33:51,519
area of cradle hill we just stood there

882
00:33:55,430 --> 00:33:53,760
open jawed slack mouth we just couldn't

883
00:33:57,110 --> 00:33:55,440
believe what we'd seen

884
00:33:59,830 --> 00:33:57,120
absolutely now were there other

885
00:34:01,590 --> 00:33:59,840
witnesses that you're aware of

886
00:34:03,830 --> 00:34:01,600
the only witnesses that we had was a

887
00:34:05,350 --> 00:34:03,840
young girl who was with us who was the

888
00:34:07,830 --> 00:34:05,360
daughter of the lady we were staying

889
00:34:09,109 --> 00:34:07,840
with at the time and she knew very

890
00:34:11,270 --> 00:34:09,119
little or nothing at all about the

891
00:34:13,909 --> 00:34:11,280
warmest phenomenon and again she was

892
00:34:14,950 --> 00:34:13,919
like us you know what have i just seen

893
00:34:16,310 --> 00:34:14,960
now

894
00:34:17,829 --> 00:34:16,320
to give you an idea of the weather

895
00:34:18,829 --> 00:34:17,839
conditions that night

896
00:34:21,030 --> 00:34:18,839
it was

897
00:34:22,950 --> 00:34:21,040
twilight you know the sun had gone down

898
00:34:24,790 --> 00:34:22,960
it was getting dark the first few stars

899
00:34:27,030 --> 00:34:24,800
was start to come out

900
00:34:28,869 --> 00:34:27,040
it was a moonless night

901
00:34:30,710 --> 00:34:28,879
very still

902
00:34:32,869 --> 00:34:30,720
no wind

903
00:34:34,869 --> 00:34:32,879
sound traveled a great distance in so

904
00:34:36,069 --> 00:34:34,879
much they could hear trains going

905
00:34:38,310 --> 00:34:36,079
through the station which was about a

906
00:34:40,230 --> 00:34:38,320
mile away quite clearly and whatever

907
00:34:41,909 --> 00:34:40,240
these objects were martin they did not

908
00:34:43,349 --> 00:34:41,919
make a sound

909
00:34:45,190 --> 00:34:43,359
that's something you hear over and over

910
00:34:47,030 --> 00:34:45,200
again and that with my own sighting i

911
00:34:49,589 --> 00:34:47,040
had the same thing happen and i wasn't

912
00:34:51,669 --> 00:34:49,599
familiar with that whole spectrum of

913
00:34:52,790 --> 00:34:51,679
ufos that there was no sounds i was kind

914
00:34:55,589 --> 00:34:52,800
of relieved when i heard other people

915
00:34:57,910 --> 00:34:55,599
say the same thing now as far as colin

916
00:35:01,270 --> 00:34:57,920
reese and that other lady

917
00:35:03,349 --> 00:35:01,280
did colin pursue any type of ufo

918
00:35:05,990 --> 00:35:03,359
research himself or that

919
00:35:07,910 --> 00:35:06,000
the young lady as well no the the young

920
00:35:10,870 --> 00:35:07,920
lady didn't i mean colin and i were very

921
00:35:12,550 --> 00:35:10,880
good friends we still are to this day he

922
00:35:14,390 --> 00:35:12,560
is still exceedingly interested in the

923
00:35:17,109 --> 00:35:14,400
subject but

924
00:35:19,510 --> 00:35:17,119
you know what could you do in the 1970s

925
00:35:21,670 --> 00:35:19,520
as regards actually investigating a

926
00:35:23,190 --> 00:35:21,680
sighting like that very little don't

927
00:35:24,870 --> 00:35:23,200
forget this was a time before there were

928
00:35:25,750 --> 00:35:24,880
no mobile phones

929
00:35:27,910 --> 00:35:25,760
you know

930
00:35:30,630 --> 00:35:27,920
again cutting edge technology was a

931
00:35:32,310 --> 00:35:30,640
cassette recorder right um you know

932
00:35:34,470 --> 00:35:32,320
polaroid cameras

933
00:35:36,950 --> 00:35:34,480
um there was you know

934
00:35:39,670 --> 00:35:36,960
there was nothing that we could actually

935
00:35:41,990 --> 00:35:39,680
physically record this sighting with

936
00:35:44,069 --> 00:35:42,000
uh we went back to peter paget's

937
00:35:46,790 --> 00:35:44,079
research center in war mister called the

938
00:35:49,910 --> 00:35:46,800
fountain center reported the sighting

939
00:35:52,150 --> 00:35:49,920
and peter did one or two investigations

940
00:35:53,670 --> 00:35:52,160
with some contacts in the military

941
00:35:55,109 --> 00:35:53,680
uh they

942
00:35:58,630 --> 00:35:55,119
said there were no

943
00:36:01,349 --> 00:35:58,640
events happening at that time and again

944
00:36:03,190 --> 00:36:01,359
jumping forward in time i've been

945
00:36:05,270 --> 00:36:03,200
contacted by a number of members of the

946
00:36:07,750 --> 00:36:05,280
armed forces who were based in the wall

947
00:36:10,710 --> 00:36:07,760
mister area during that period and they

948
00:36:13,510 --> 00:36:10,720
would say that they were out on what we

949
00:36:15,109 --> 00:36:13,520
call over here stag duty which is like

950
00:36:17,750 --> 00:36:15,119
guard duty

951
00:36:20,069 --> 00:36:17,760
and to alleviate boredom you know they

952
00:36:22,230 --> 00:36:20,079
would themselves would sky watch and

953
00:36:23,750 --> 00:36:22,240
some of these troops actually reported

954
00:36:26,230 --> 00:36:23,760
seeing things which they couldn't

955
00:36:28,870 --> 00:36:26,240
explain which again there were no

956
00:36:30,470 --> 00:36:28,880
activities no military maneuvers

957
00:36:32,230 --> 00:36:30,480
happening at the time

958
00:36:35,430 --> 00:36:32,240
so like i say

959
00:36:39,109 --> 00:36:37,190
it's funny you hear about

960
00:36:41,109 --> 00:36:39,119
i guess you'd call this a hot spot or

961
00:36:43,030 --> 00:36:41,119
something like that you hear about this

962
00:36:45,190 --> 00:36:43,040
happening where

963
00:36:46,310 --> 00:36:45,200
for instance the belgian

964
00:36:48,310 --> 00:36:46,320
triangle

965
00:36:51,030 --> 00:36:48,320
where something's very active

966
00:36:53,750 --> 00:36:51,040
for say a period of time maybe a year or

967
00:36:55,910 --> 00:36:53,760
two or in your case maybe up to 10 years

968
00:36:59,430 --> 00:36:55,920
something like that and then it vanishes

969
00:37:01,910 --> 00:36:59,440
but you know i recently got to meet

970
00:37:03,990 --> 00:37:01,920
wilford de brauer and spoke with him and

971
00:37:05,750 --> 00:37:04,000
he says that things are happening in

972
00:37:08,950 --> 00:37:05,760
belgium and that whole area right today

973
00:37:11,109 --> 00:37:08,960
it's just not reported as much so this

974
00:37:13,030 --> 00:37:11,119
phenomenon that happened there

975
00:37:15,430 --> 00:37:13,040
could respark someday that's a

976
00:37:18,470 --> 00:37:15,440
possibility wouldn't you think i i think

977
00:37:21,030 --> 00:37:18,480
it's it's a definite possibility uh i

978
00:37:23,430 --> 00:37:21,040
mean just off the top of my head

979
00:37:25,510 --> 00:37:23,440
i can think of obviously war mister in

980
00:37:28,790 --> 00:37:25,520
this country is probably if not in the

981
00:37:31,190 --> 00:37:28,800
world the longest sustained ufo flap you

982
00:37:34,310 --> 00:37:31,200
have the south wales sightings you have

983
00:37:36,630 --> 00:37:34,320
banbury you have the pennine corridor

984
00:37:40,150 --> 00:37:36,640
you have uh bonnie bridge

985
00:37:42,630 --> 00:37:40,160
so you know it seems almost as if these

986
00:37:46,310 --> 00:37:42,640
window areas these slide zones whatever

987
00:37:48,069 --> 00:37:46,320
you want to call them they tend to shift

988
00:37:49,670 --> 00:37:48,079
almost you know i'm not saying you know

989
00:37:51,109 --> 00:37:49,680
it's just to say that you know you know

990
00:37:53,109 --> 00:37:51,119
you've got little green men leaning out

991
00:37:53,990 --> 00:37:53,119
going cooy we're here

992
00:37:56,630 --> 00:37:54,000
um

993
00:37:58,950 --> 00:37:56,640
it's you know it it just seems that you

994
00:38:01,190 --> 00:37:58,960
know whether or not

995
00:38:03,589 --> 00:38:01,200
war minister itself i mean after shuttle

996
00:38:06,069 --> 00:38:03,599
would bless his bless his memory you

997
00:38:10,390 --> 00:38:06,079
know he said that he'd heard that war

998
00:38:14,390 --> 00:38:10,400
minister was over the the um 13 ley

999
00:38:16,230 --> 00:38:14,400
lines converged over the town

1000
00:38:18,230 --> 00:38:16,240
now again your listeners may know about

1001
00:38:20,470 --> 00:38:18,240
ley lines they may not you know it it's

1002
00:38:24,710 --> 00:38:20,480
another it's another avenue of research

1003
00:38:25,990 --> 00:38:24,720
to look into ley lines uh basically are

1004
00:38:28,630 --> 00:38:26,000
ancient

1005
00:38:32,550 --> 00:38:28,640
trackways pathways

1006
00:38:33,910 --> 00:38:32,560
lines uh which um shall we say ancient

1007
00:38:36,630 --> 00:38:33,920
sites are

1008
00:38:38,870 --> 00:38:36,640
aligned and a straight line is drawn i

1009
00:38:41,109 --> 00:38:38,880
mean again for example war mister is

1010
00:38:42,710 --> 00:38:41,119
very close to stonehenge

1011
00:38:43,990 --> 00:38:42,720
ave bree

1012
00:38:46,710 --> 00:38:44,000
west kennett

1013
00:38:48,630 --> 00:38:46,720
silbery hill and glastonbury oh the

1014
00:38:50,150 --> 00:38:48,640
whole area is known as the wessex

1015
00:38:52,550 --> 00:38:50,160
triangle

1016
00:38:54,630 --> 00:38:52,560
okay speaking of stonehenge in your

1017
00:38:56,470 --> 00:38:54,640
research that you've done has anyone

1018
00:38:59,589 --> 00:38:56,480
actually seen sightings around

1019
00:39:01,910 --> 00:38:59,599
stonehenge yeah people have reported

1020
00:39:03,990 --> 00:39:01,920
sightings around stonehenge and the

1021
00:39:06,150 --> 00:39:04,000
interesting thing as well

1022
00:39:09,670 --> 00:39:06,160
is that when the warmest phenomenon

1023
00:39:10,710 --> 00:39:09,680
started to die down in the late 1970s

1024
00:39:13,750 --> 00:39:10,720
uh

1025
00:39:16,870 --> 00:39:13,760
should we say the early 1980s

1026
00:39:18,390 --> 00:39:16,880
suddenly there was a rash of a new

1027
00:39:20,790 --> 00:39:18,400
phenomenon

1028
00:39:23,670 --> 00:39:20,800
around that area which we now know as

1029
00:39:25,349 --> 00:39:23,680
crop circles that's right i remember

1030
00:39:27,190 --> 00:39:25,359
hearing about them being not too far

1031
00:39:28,790 --> 00:39:27,200
away from stonehenge and one was right

1032
00:39:31,190 --> 00:39:28,800
one was fairly close

1033
00:39:34,630 --> 00:39:31,200
if i remember right yeah i mean there

1034
00:39:35,910 --> 00:39:34,640
was one which i think was a hoax um

1035
00:39:37,750 --> 00:39:35,920
but whoever

1036
00:39:38,870 --> 00:39:37,760
you know construct these these crop

1037
00:39:40,150 --> 00:39:38,880
circles you know they have to be

1038
00:39:41,589 --> 00:39:40,160
congratulated

1039
00:39:44,230 --> 00:39:41,599
um

1040
00:39:47,030 --> 00:39:44,240
i mean there was one there is a a hill

1041
00:39:48,870 --> 00:39:47,040
just as had war mister called clay hill

1042
00:39:51,030 --> 00:39:48,880
which is directly opposite the entrance

1043
00:39:52,790 --> 00:39:51,040
to the famous longleator state

1044
00:39:54,829 --> 00:39:52,800
and there was a

1045
00:39:58,310 --> 00:39:54,839
geometrical

1046
00:40:00,550 --> 00:39:58,320
3d almost like rubik's cube

1047
00:40:02,630 --> 00:40:00,560
style crop circle

1048
00:40:06,230 --> 00:40:02,640
actually created at the foot of clay

1049
00:40:09,589 --> 00:40:06,240
hill now clay hill apart from cradle

1050
00:40:11,670 --> 00:40:09,599
hill is probably the most second famous

1051
00:40:15,430 --> 00:40:11,680
sky watching location in the war mister

1052
00:40:17,190 --> 00:40:15,440
area i just recently heard nancy talbot

1053
00:40:19,990 --> 00:40:17,200
speak she's going to be a future guest

1054
00:40:21,750 --> 00:40:20,000
she has blt research was originally

1055
00:40:23,990 --> 00:40:21,760
funded by lawrence rockefeller and she's

1056
00:40:25,910 --> 00:40:24,000
trying to do scientific research and i

1057
00:40:28,550 --> 00:40:25,920
listened to her at a symposium and she

1058
00:40:29,910 --> 00:40:28,560
was absolutely fascinating because i've

1059
00:40:32,069 --> 00:40:29,920
always been on the fence about crop

1060
00:40:34,230 --> 00:40:32,079
circles and you know no answers really

1061
00:40:36,550 --> 00:40:34,240
but more questions after listening to

1062
00:40:39,829 --> 00:40:36,560
her i think the problem with

1063
00:40:42,390 --> 00:40:39,839
crop circles ufology in general

1064
00:40:43,190 --> 00:40:42,400
is that no matter how much you research

1065
00:40:45,589 --> 00:40:43,200
it

1066
00:40:48,470 --> 00:40:45,599
there are still more questions that end

1067
00:40:50,710 --> 00:40:48,480
up needing answering

1068
00:40:55,270 --> 00:40:50,720
uh i mean again

1069
00:40:58,069 --> 00:40:55,280
i would love to have a you know a proper

1070
00:41:00,470 --> 00:40:58,079
scientific investigation

1071
00:41:02,230 --> 00:41:00,480
made into the entire ufo phenomenon be

1072
00:41:05,510 --> 00:41:02,240
it in this country

1073
00:41:06,710 --> 00:41:05,520
in the united states worldwide

1074
00:41:09,670 --> 00:41:06,720
but

1075
00:41:11,190 --> 00:41:09,680
who as a serious scientist wants to put

1076
00:41:13,349 --> 00:41:11,200
their name

1077
00:41:17,349 --> 00:41:13,359
to that type of research

1078
00:41:19,270 --> 00:41:17,359
it's still regarded as a very fringe

1079
00:41:22,309 --> 00:41:19,280
shall we say science

1080
00:41:24,710 --> 00:41:22,319
yes or they call it pseudoscience if

1081
00:41:27,270 --> 00:41:24,720
they want it yeah yeah i mean again you

1082
00:41:29,829 --> 00:41:27,280
know i mean i was actively involved in

1083
00:41:32,150 --> 00:41:29,839
ufology uh

1084
00:41:36,790 --> 00:41:32,160
well i am more so now that i was in the

1085
00:41:38,150 --> 00:41:36,800
70s but i left it in about 1983 and as i

1086
00:41:40,230 --> 00:41:38,160
said to you before i didn't get back to

1087
00:41:41,109 --> 00:41:40,240
until about 2003

1088
00:41:43,270 --> 00:41:41,119
but

1089
00:41:45,750 --> 00:41:43,280
the one thing i will say now whether

1090
00:41:49,510 --> 00:41:45,760
this is down to television programs like

1091
00:41:52,710 --> 00:41:49,520
the x-files i do not know but ufology

1092
00:41:55,910 --> 00:41:52,720
now seems to be in this country at least

1093
00:41:58,550 --> 00:41:55,920
a much more accepted interest than it

1094
00:42:01,349 --> 00:41:58,560
ever was before

1095
00:42:02,790 --> 00:42:01,359
um you know i mean you still have people

1096
00:42:05,430 --> 00:42:02,800
you know sort of make the glib comments

1097
00:42:07,750 --> 00:42:05,440
about oh do you wear a tinfoil hat

1098
00:42:09,510 --> 00:42:07,760
and all this sort of thing but

1099
00:42:11,030 --> 00:42:09,520
people now

1100
00:42:13,990 --> 00:42:11,040
don't dismiss it

1101
00:42:15,670 --> 00:42:14,000
it's more you know it will start a topic

1102
00:42:17,589 --> 00:42:15,680
of conversation

1103
00:42:19,750 --> 00:42:17,599
rather than just being oh you're a bit

1104
00:42:22,309 --> 00:42:19,760
of a nutter aren't you absolutely i've

1105
00:42:24,550 --> 00:42:22,319
seen a big change that can only open

1106
00:42:26,230 --> 00:42:24,560
more doors i think i think it will open

1107
00:42:29,670 --> 00:42:26,240
more doors i mean whether or not you

1108
00:42:31,430 --> 00:42:29,680
know i mean humanity itself as a species

1109
00:42:34,550 --> 00:42:31,440
is starting to go through some kind of

1110
00:42:35,589 --> 00:42:34,560
spiritual sea change i don't know

1111
00:42:38,550 --> 00:42:35,599
but

1112
00:42:40,309 --> 00:42:38,560
it's become more socially acceptable and

1113
00:42:42,230 --> 00:42:40,319
as i said earlier on

1114
00:42:43,030 --> 00:42:42,240
you tend now

1115
00:42:45,190 --> 00:42:43,040
to

1116
00:42:47,190 --> 00:42:45,200
actually engage people in conversation

1117
00:42:48,470 --> 00:42:47,200
about it and people are genuinely

1118
00:42:50,309 --> 00:42:48,480
interested

1119
00:42:51,750 --> 00:42:50,319
whereas before it was you know sort of

1120
00:42:53,109 --> 00:42:51,760
oh yeah okay right fine well let's

1121
00:42:54,230 --> 00:42:53,119
change the subject

1122
00:42:57,030 --> 00:42:54,240
exactly

1123
00:42:58,870 --> 00:42:57,040
besides warminster are you doing other

1124
00:43:01,750 --> 00:42:58,880
research

1125
00:43:04,230 --> 00:43:01,760
well no i mean i i must admit um wall

1126
00:43:07,349 --> 00:43:04,240
minster really is my sort of

1127
00:43:09,829 --> 00:43:07,359
focal point uh in so much that i i've

1128
00:43:13,990 --> 00:43:09,839
been there i've been there i've i've

1129
00:43:17,190 --> 00:43:14,000
been touched by it and you know and

1130
00:43:19,990 --> 00:43:17,200
sadly we as i said we are talking about

1131
00:43:21,349 --> 00:43:20,000
events initially that happened 50 years

1132
00:43:23,349 --> 00:43:21,359
ago

1133
00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:23,359
a lot of the people that were there at

1134
00:43:28,950 --> 00:43:26,400
the time are no longer with us so it is

1135
00:43:31,190 --> 00:43:28,960
now shall we say the second generation

1136
00:43:32,470 --> 00:43:31,200
of researchers witnesses whatever you

1137
00:43:35,030 --> 00:43:32,480
want to call us

1138
00:43:37,190 --> 00:43:35,040
who are now carrying the fire forward

1139
00:43:39,270 --> 00:43:37,200
and we're trying to now bring it to the

1140
00:43:40,470 --> 00:43:39,280
attention of hopefully a third

1141
00:43:43,349 --> 00:43:40,480
generation

1142
00:43:45,430 --> 00:43:43,359
who will then carry everything on

1143
00:43:47,430 --> 00:43:45,440
i mean warminster

1144
00:43:49,910 --> 00:43:47,440
the people in the town

1145
00:43:52,309 --> 00:43:49,920
seem very reluctant

1146
00:43:54,630 --> 00:43:52,319
to talk about what happened in the 70s

1147
00:43:57,190 --> 00:43:54,640
those of those that know about it

1148
00:44:00,150 --> 00:43:57,200
very few people in that town do know

1149
00:44:02,630 --> 00:44:00,160
what happened in the 1960s

1150
00:44:05,349 --> 00:44:02,640
wow now have you ever in your research

1151
00:44:09,190 --> 00:44:05,359
have you ever gone through microfiche

1152
00:44:12,470 --> 00:44:09,200
for looking at old newspapers yeah uh

1153
00:44:15,349 --> 00:44:12,480
there is a small museum in warminster uh

1154
00:44:18,390 --> 00:44:15,359
called the dewey museum no relation to

1155
00:44:19,829 --> 00:44:18,400
steve jewelry or hasten to add um where

1156
00:44:21,270 --> 00:44:19,839
a researcher

1157
00:44:23,030 --> 00:44:21,280
who sadly is no longer with us by the

1158
00:44:26,150 --> 00:44:23,040
name of ken rogers

1159
00:44:29,589 --> 00:44:26,160
bequeathed all of his paperwork

1160
00:44:31,510 --> 00:44:29,599
and there are box files of books

1161
00:44:32,390 --> 00:44:31,520
newspaper clippings

1162
00:44:34,069 --> 00:44:32,400
uh

1163
00:44:38,710 --> 00:44:34,079
information

1164
00:44:41,670 --> 00:44:38,720
handwritten jotted uh documents and i

1165
00:44:43,990 --> 00:44:41,680
stayed down in warmister uh for three or

1166
00:44:46,870 --> 00:44:44,000
four days and i actually got permission

1167
00:44:49,030 --> 00:44:46,880
from the museum to take these box files

1168
00:44:51,990 --> 00:44:49,040
out and i actually scan them into my

1169
00:44:53,910 --> 00:44:52,000
computer and i've still got a lot of the

1170
00:44:56,550 --> 00:44:53,920
um the paperwork

1171
00:44:58,309 --> 00:44:56,560
uh and the the curator actually said

1172
00:45:00,390 --> 00:44:58,319
it's a pity you don't live in this town

1173
00:45:03,270 --> 00:45:00,400
you know and i said well why is that and

1174
00:45:05,430 --> 00:45:03,280
he said well we really need somebody who

1175
00:45:07,190 --> 00:45:05,440
knows about the subject to index this

1176
00:45:08,790 --> 00:45:07,200
all and actually do us a proper

1177
00:45:09,589 --> 00:45:08,800
inventory

1178
00:45:11,589 --> 00:45:09,599
so

1179
00:45:13,430 --> 00:45:11,599
there is information there

1180
00:45:15,430 --> 00:45:13,440
but the sad thing about the dewey museum

1181
00:45:18,069 --> 00:45:15,440
collection is as well

1182
00:45:20,550 --> 00:45:18,079
that someone a few years ago actually

1183
00:45:22,710 --> 00:45:20,560
managed to loan out

1184
00:45:25,750 --> 00:45:22,720
two whole box files of clippings which

1185
00:45:27,829 --> 00:45:25,760
were never ever returned

1186
00:45:28,710 --> 00:45:27,839
you know so where they went to nobody

1187
00:45:30,230 --> 00:45:28,720
knows

1188
00:45:33,829 --> 00:45:30,240
the mod

1189
00:45:35,670 --> 00:45:33,839
i don't think so i i i

1190
00:45:37,270 --> 00:45:35,680
yeah we are getting into very sticky

1191
00:45:39,430 --> 00:45:37,280
water there aren't we really to be

1192
00:45:41,589 --> 00:45:39,440
honest with you um

1193
00:45:43,190 --> 00:45:41,599
but you know that these files have gone

1194
00:45:46,470 --> 00:45:43,200
missing that we don't think they'll ever

1195
00:45:48,309 --> 00:45:46,480
be returned sadly um what they contained

1196
00:45:50,630 --> 00:45:48,319
no one knows were you looking through

1197
00:45:52,710 --> 00:45:50,640
them prior to that or

1198
00:45:54,230 --> 00:45:52,720
had they disappeared before that that

1199
00:45:55,589 --> 00:45:54,240
was after they disappeared unfortunately

1200
00:45:58,710 --> 00:45:55,599
somebody obviously got there before i

1201
00:46:00,390 --> 00:45:58,720
did sadly i see i just touched on you

1202
00:46:02,390 --> 00:46:00,400
know the government did the government

1203
00:46:05,349 --> 00:46:02,400
do any research at all that you're aware

1204
00:46:07,910 --> 00:46:05,359
of and what was going on well um

1205
00:46:10,069 --> 00:46:07,920
not that i'm aware of but of course

1206
00:46:11,510 --> 00:46:10,079
a lot of your listeners will be aware

1207
00:46:13,670 --> 00:46:11,520
that the british government have been

1208
00:46:16,790 --> 00:46:13,680
releasing a lot of their um

1209
00:46:19,990 --> 00:46:16,800
files on ufology over the last few years

1210
00:46:21,829 --> 00:46:20,000
thanks to um dr david clarke who seems

1211
00:46:23,829 --> 00:46:21,839
to have been the person who's been

1212
00:46:26,150 --> 00:46:23,839
pushing forward for all this and every

1213
00:46:28,550 --> 00:46:26,160
time we get these uh these files

1214
00:46:30,790 --> 00:46:28,560
released i download them and of course

1215
00:46:33,910 --> 00:46:30,800
i'm always looking for basically war

1216
00:46:35,829 --> 00:46:33,920
mister or the local area related uh

1217
00:46:38,790 --> 00:46:35,839
documents but of course because of the

1218
00:46:40,309 --> 00:46:38,800
freedom information act and the uh

1219
00:46:42,069 --> 00:46:40,319
everything else like that

1220
00:46:44,069 --> 00:46:42,079
a lot of the relevant information that

1221
00:46:47,430 --> 00:46:44,079
you need is blanked out like names

1222
00:46:50,870 --> 00:46:47,440
addresses and sometimes even locations

1223
00:46:52,950 --> 00:46:50,880
so the mod file downloads really

1224
00:46:55,109 --> 00:46:52,960
all it is showing is that people did

1225
00:46:56,150 --> 00:46:55,119
report ufo sightings to the ministry of

1226
00:46:56,950 --> 00:46:56,160
defence

1227
00:46:59,990 --> 00:46:56,960
but

1228
00:47:02,870 --> 00:47:00,000
as a research tool they're useless going

1229
00:47:05,349 --> 00:47:02,880
back to the 1960s and 70s we you know we

1230
00:47:06,950 --> 00:47:05,359
were talking earlier about the lack of

1231
00:47:09,109 --> 00:47:06,960
cell phone and

1232
00:47:12,150 --> 00:47:09,119
the internet and all that what would

1233
00:47:13,990 --> 00:47:12,160
someone do to report a sighting there

1234
00:47:16,230 --> 00:47:14,000
in the 60s

1235
00:47:18,870 --> 00:47:16,240
probably they would

1236
00:47:20,950 --> 00:47:18,880
have contacted arthur shuttlewood

1237
00:47:23,670 --> 00:47:20,960
who became the champion

1238
00:47:25,589 --> 00:47:23,680
of the warmester phenomenon uh arthur

1239
00:47:27,990 --> 00:47:25,599
was uh

1240
00:47:29,990 --> 00:47:28,000
well it depends on what you read and

1241
00:47:32,150 --> 00:47:30,000
where you read it and what you believe

1242
00:47:34,710 --> 00:47:32,160
he claimed to be the editor of the local

1243
00:47:36,230 --> 00:47:34,720
newspaper the war mr journal

1244
00:47:38,950 --> 00:47:36,240
but we do believe actually he was more

1245
00:47:40,870 --> 00:47:38,960
of a features writer arthur was a

1246
00:47:43,670 --> 00:47:40,880
journalist as i say

1247
00:47:47,670 --> 00:47:43,680
and he was the person who

1248
00:47:50,870 --> 00:47:47,680
started to amass all these reports

1249
00:47:52,950 --> 00:47:50,880
and he claimed to be a hard-headed

1250
00:47:54,950 --> 00:47:52,960
realistic journalist until he saw the

1251
00:47:57,750 --> 00:47:54,960
phenomenon for himself which apparently

1252
00:48:01,349 --> 00:47:57,760
he did and then he became from shall we

1253
00:48:03,109 --> 00:48:01,359
say a moderate skeptic to a believer

1254
00:48:06,230 --> 00:48:03,119
these six books

1255
00:48:09,109 --> 00:48:06,240
uh starting in 1967 with the warmest

1256
00:48:11,270 --> 00:48:09,119
mystery through to i think it was 1979

1257
00:48:14,470 --> 00:48:11,280
with ufo magic in motion

1258
00:48:16,390 --> 00:48:14,480
um these books chronicled the

1259
00:48:17,990 --> 00:48:16,400
you know the sort of evolution of the

1260
00:48:19,829 --> 00:48:18,000
war mr phenomenon

1261
00:48:21,190 --> 00:48:19,839
one thing really does change a skeptic's

1262
00:48:22,710 --> 00:48:21,200
mind is when they actually witness

1263
00:48:25,109 --> 00:48:22,720
something

1264
00:48:26,549 --> 00:48:25,119
oh absolutely yeah i mean as i say i

1265
00:48:28,150 --> 00:48:26,559
mean i i was

1266
00:48:29,910 --> 00:48:28,160
i would say

1267
00:48:31,510 --> 00:48:29,920
as going back to that sighting in easter

1268
00:48:34,069 --> 00:48:31,520
of 1977

1269
00:48:35,910 --> 00:48:34,079
i was never a skeptic i always wanted to

1270
00:48:38,710 --> 00:48:35,920
believe as we all want to believe in

1271
00:48:41,109 --> 00:48:38,720
something um and when i when we saw

1272
00:48:43,109 --> 00:48:41,119
those four red lights you know that was

1273
00:48:45,589 --> 00:48:43,119
it you know i i suddenly realized that

1274
00:48:48,069 --> 00:48:45,599
my time and you know what money in those

1275
00:48:49,829 --> 00:48:48,079
days i had had not been wasted because

1276
00:48:52,150 --> 00:48:49,839
suddenly i'd actually seen this thing

1277
00:48:53,030 --> 00:48:52,160
for myself oh going back to your

1278
00:48:54,950 --> 00:48:53,040
sighting

1279
00:48:56,710 --> 00:48:54,960
had anyone ever reported a similar

1280
00:48:57,589 --> 00:48:56,720
sighting there to that

1281
00:48:59,829 --> 00:48:57,599
oh

1282
00:49:02,309 --> 00:48:59,839
many many times i mean it may not may

1283
00:49:04,390 --> 00:49:02,319
not be the four red lights but after

1284
00:49:07,030 --> 00:49:04,400
shuttle would with uh shall we say

1285
00:49:09,270 --> 00:49:07,040
typical english journalistic prose

1286
00:49:13,430 --> 00:49:09,280
uh referred to that type of sighting

1287
00:49:14,230 --> 00:49:13,440
that type of light as the amber gambler

1288
00:49:15,670 --> 00:49:14,240
and

1289
00:49:17,190 --> 00:49:15,680
i can actually tell you of another

1290
00:49:19,430 --> 00:49:17,200
although i didn't actually see this on

1291
00:49:21,109 --> 00:49:19,440
myself i i was um

1292
00:49:22,790 --> 00:49:21,119
i wasn't involved at this particular

1293
00:49:25,430 --> 00:49:22,800
starting but some friends of mine were

1294
00:49:27,990 --> 00:49:25,440
uh there was another area near walmister

1295
00:49:30,870 --> 00:49:28,000
a small village called upton scudamore

1296
00:49:33,510 --> 00:49:30,880
um which uh was a favored sky watching

1297
00:49:36,069 --> 00:49:33,520
location and these friends of mine and i

1298
00:49:38,230 --> 00:49:36,079
uh these friends of mine went out there

1299
00:49:40,870 --> 00:49:38,240
one night and there were four of them

1300
00:49:41,829 --> 00:49:40,880
and they decided to do a sort of shift

1301
00:49:43,109 --> 00:49:41,839
pattern

1302
00:49:44,390 --> 00:49:43,119
sighting

1303
00:49:46,630 --> 00:49:44,400
uh watch

1304
00:49:47,829 --> 00:49:46,640
uh two would keep in the car two would

1305
00:49:49,990 --> 00:49:47,839
watch

1306
00:49:51,750 --> 00:49:50,000
and about midnight

1307
00:49:53,589 --> 00:49:51,760
my two two my friends were in the car

1308
00:49:55,910 --> 00:49:53,599
trying to get some sleep there was a

1309
00:49:57,670 --> 00:49:55,920
banging on the window and the door

1310
00:49:59,589 --> 00:49:57,680
opened and they said come and have a

1311
00:50:00,950 --> 00:49:59,599
look at this coming up look at this and

1312
00:50:03,510 --> 00:50:00,960
you know they all piled out the car

1313
00:50:05,829 --> 00:50:03,520
slightly bleary-eyed and coming over

1314
00:50:07,589 --> 00:50:05,839
them and then changing direction

1315
00:50:10,230 --> 00:50:07,599
literally over the car was one of these

1316
00:50:13,589 --> 00:50:10,240
amber lights and it was quite low you

1317
00:50:16,309 --> 00:50:13,599
know so you know as i say

1318
00:50:18,470 --> 00:50:16,319
things were seen in the area which still

1319
00:50:20,870 --> 00:50:18,480
rationally can't be explained away

1320
00:50:23,510 --> 00:50:20,880
right now you have a book cradle of

1321
00:50:25,349 --> 00:50:23,520
contact which is about this we'll talk

1322
00:50:27,910 --> 00:50:25,359
about that but i just wanted to say i

1323
00:50:30,549 --> 00:50:27,920
love the names of the locations

1324
00:50:31,990 --> 00:50:30,559
um you have over there some fun names

1325
00:50:34,630 --> 00:50:32,000
oh absolutely i mean well it is

1326
00:50:36,790 --> 00:50:34,640
typically rural england isn't it yeah

1327
00:50:39,430 --> 00:50:36,800
you know i mean you know upton scudamore

1328
00:50:41,349 --> 00:50:39,440
it rolls off the tongue i love it

1329
00:50:43,109 --> 00:50:41,359
you know cradle hill

1330
00:50:44,870 --> 00:50:43,119
i mean i i'll tell you a little story

1331
00:50:47,430 --> 00:50:44,880
about the book um

1332
00:50:51,190 --> 00:50:47,440
i i i started the book originally in

1333
00:50:54,630 --> 00:50:51,200
1983 uh when my well she was my fiance

1334
00:50:57,270 --> 00:50:54,640
then uh we went on holiday and i started

1335
00:51:00,069 --> 00:50:57,280
work on the book and i

1336
00:51:01,510 --> 00:51:00,079
i ran out of steam you know about 40

1337
00:51:03,510 --> 00:51:01,520
pages in

1338
00:51:05,510 --> 00:51:03,520
and you know over the years i'd

1339
00:51:08,790 --> 00:51:05,520
forgotten all about it

1340
00:51:11,430 --> 00:51:08,800
and sadly my wife died as i say in 2003

1341
00:51:14,069 --> 00:51:11,440
and we just moved house and there were

1342
00:51:17,190 --> 00:51:14,079
still lots of boxes in the garage

1343
00:51:19,430 --> 00:51:17,200
and i started to unpack them and decided

1344
00:51:21,510 --> 00:51:19,440
what to throw away and what to keep

1345
00:51:24,309 --> 00:51:21,520
and at the bottom one of these boxes was

1346
00:51:26,470 --> 00:51:24,319
the yellowing manuscript of this book

1347
00:51:28,309 --> 00:51:26,480
i'd started in 83 which i thought i

1348
00:51:29,270 --> 00:51:28,319
threw an app thrown out

1349
00:51:30,069 --> 00:51:29,280
um

1350
00:51:33,349 --> 00:51:30,079
and

1351
00:51:35,990 --> 00:51:33,359
you know this over here particularly

1352
00:51:38,309 --> 00:51:36,000
is a typical male thing

1353
00:51:39,910 --> 00:51:38,319
a lot of men seem to do their serious

1354
00:51:40,950 --> 00:51:39,920
reading in the smallest room of the

1355
00:51:44,230 --> 00:51:40,960
house

1356
00:51:46,549 --> 00:51:44,240
and i remember sitting down

1357
00:51:49,589 --> 00:51:46,559
reading this manuscript thinking my god

1358
00:51:51,190 --> 00:51:49,599
i could do better than this now

1359
00:51:54,230 --> 00:51:51,200
and so

1360
00:51:56,710 --> 00:51:54,240
you know i i started work on it again

1361
00:51:59,270 --> 00:51:56,720
and again this is with the advent of

1362
00:52:02,309 --> 00:51:59,280
modern technology the internet

1363
00:52:04,950 --> 00:52:02,319
and i started to do google searches for

1364
00:52:07,349 --> 00:52:04,960
war mister and more missed ufo sightings

1365
00:52:09,589 --> 00:52:07,359
and i came across a web page by a

1366
00:52:11,349 --> 00:52:09,599
gentleman called steve dewey

1367
00:52:14,150 --> 00:52:11,359
and it was entitled war mister

1368
00:52:15,910 --> 00:52:14,160
deconstructed because steve is a skeptic

1369
00:52:18,549 --> 00:52:15,920
and that's why steve and i work actually

1370
00:52:19,589 --> 00:52:18,559
quite well as a working partnership wow

1371
00:52:23,190 --> 00:52:19,599
um

1372
00:52:25,190 --> 00:52:23,200
and i thought that name rings a bell

1373
00:52:28,150 --> 00:52:25,200
so i emailed this this chapter i said

1374
00:52:32,069 --> 00:52:28,160
are you the steve dewey i met at peter

1375
00:52:34,790 --> 00:52:32,079
paget's star house in october of 1976

1376
00:52:35,829 --> 00:52:34,800
and sure as hell it was

1377
00:52:37,990 --> 00:52:35,839
um

1378
00:52:40,790 --> 00:52:38,000
so that's the genus that's the genesis

1379
00:52:42,390 --> 00:52:40,800
of of how the book actually happened

1380
00:52:43,910 --> 00:52:42,400
but the interesting thing was you know

1381
00:52:46,470 --> 00:52:43,920
the book had been written and i was

1382
00:52:48,470 --> 00:52:46,480
racking myself for a title

1383
00:52:50,470 --> 00:52:48,480
and somebody suggested ufo war mister

1384
00:52:52,790 --> 00:52:50,480
which i thought yeah okay that's okay

1385
00:52:54,150 --> 00:52:52,800
but it does need a subtitle it's a bit

1386
00:52:57,430 --> 00:52:54,160
naf

1387
00:52:59,430 --> 00:52:57,440
you know just ufo warminster and um i'm

1388
00:53:01,190 --> 00:52:59,440
not going to give too much away

1389
00:53:03,109 --> 00:53:01,200
uh but if anybody wants to get a copy of

1390
00:53:05,109 --> 00:53:03,119
the book please do and read it i could

1391
00:53:06,390 --> 00:53:05,119
do with the money

1392
00:53:07,670 --> 00:53:06,400
and where where would they find the book

1393
00:53:09,829 --> 00:53:07,680
is it on your website

1394
00:53:11,670 --> 00:53:09,839
it's available on amazon hopefully uh

1395
00:53:13,349 --> 00:53:11,680
they can get it either amazon.com or

1396
00:53:16,069 --> 00:53:13,359
amazon.com

1397
00:53:18,470 --> 00:53:16,079
it's actually now it's well um the book

1398
00:53:20,390 --> 00:53:18,480
was privately published to start with

1399
00:53:21,990 --> 00:53:20,400
and i had i think nearly a thousand

1400
00:53:24,309 --> 00:53:22,000
copies or just about a thousand copies

1401
00:53:26,549 --> 00:53:24,319
printed and it sold out within 18 months

1402
00:53:29,430 --> 00:53:26,559
and this is me just pushing the book

1403
00:53:30,390 --> 00:53:29,440
myself doing all my own self-publicity i

1404
00:53:33,270 --> 00:53:30,400
think

1405
00:53:36,069 --> 00:53:33,280
and then about two years ago

1406
00:53:39,270 --> 00:53:36,079
um i was invited to speak down at the

1407
00:53:42,069 --> 00:53:39,280
weird weekender in devon run by john

1408
00:53:45,109 --> 00:53:42,079
downes of the um cryptozoology

1409
00:53:46,630 --> 00:53:45,119
foundation and uh john said look i'll

1410
00:53:48,710 --> 00:53:46,640
publish your book

1411
00:53:51,190 --> 00:53:48,720
i'll republish it don't worry about it

1412
00:53:53,190 --> 00:53:51,200
um and so consequently the book has been

1413
00:53:55,750 --> 00:53:53,200
sort of shall we say slightly updated

1414
00:53:58,950 --> 00:53:55,760
and it's now available via

1415
00:54:00,390 --> 00:53:58,960
that medium um but as i said you know i

1416
00:54:02,630 --> 00:54:00,400
was thinking cradle of com you know

1417
00:54:03,990 --> 00:54:02,640
craig you know ufo warster it needs a

1418
00:54:06,390 --> 00:54:04,000
byline

1419
00:54:09,030 --> 00:54:06,400
and of course cradle as in cradle hill

1420
00:54:11,430 --> 00:54:09,040
came to came to mind and then again

1421
00:54:13,750 --> 00:54:11,440
without giving too much away and the

1422
00:54:17,030 --> 00:54:13,760
third word

1423
00:54:20,309 --> 00:54:17,040
uh is the is the imperative one here um

1424
00:54:22,549 --> 00:54:20,319
i suddenly thought cradle of contact

1425
00:54:25,109 --> 00:54:22,559
that'll do

1426
00:54:28,230 --> 00:54:25,119
okay well hey i'll put your book

1427
00:54:30,630 --> 00:54:28,240
beside your podcast um so when people

1428
00:54:32,390 --> 00:54:30,640
listen to the podcast come to my website

1429
00:54:33,910 --> 00:54:32,400
they can find it and just click on it

1430
00:54:36,230 --> 00:54:33,920
i'll go right to amazon

1431
00:54:38,230 --> 00:54:36,240
thanks and you know i mean i always am

1432
00:54:39,910 --> 00:54:38,240
available to answer questions via email

1433
00:54:41,510 --> 00:54:39,920
if anybody wants to contact me you know

1434
00:54:43,270 --> 00:54:41,520
i'm quite happy to do that i mean you

1435
00:54:45,589 --> 00:54:43,280
know some days it you know it might take

1436
00:54:47,349 --> 00:54:45,599
me a bit longer to to do it because you

1437
00:54:49,349 --> 00:54:47,359
know about two hours a night these days

1438
00:54:51,670 --> 00:54:49,359
is taken up on by me just doing all this

1439
00:54:53,510 --> 00:54:51,680
sort of stuff oh i hear you there

1440
00:54:55,109 --> 00:54:53,520
but it's a labor of love

1441
00:54:56,870 --> 00:54:55,119
it's it's great to get the word out

1442
00:54:59,109 --> 00:54:56,880
there because

1443
00:55:01,829 --> 00:54:59,119
i think and i'm not talking about war

1444
00:55:03,750 --> 00:55:01,839
mister in particular here um people who

1445
00:55:06,230 --> 00:55:03,760
have been genuinely touched by this

1446
00:55:07,589 --> 00:55:06,240
phenomenon you know we need to get the

1447
00:55:10,390 --> 00:55:07,599
word out there

1448
00:55:11,829 --> 00:55:10,400
we need to not make people exactly

1449
00:55:14,630 --> 00:55:11,839
believe us

1450
00:55:18,549 --> 00:55:14,640
but we've got to get rid of this

1451
00:55:19,589 --> 00:55:18,559
this idea that we are not cranks

1452
00:55:22,309 --> 00:55:19,599
that's right

1453
00:55:25,030 --> 00:55:22,319
i hate using that word you know it's a

1454
00:55:28,069 --> 00:55:25,040
very 70s word now um you know it's a

1455
00:55:30,950 --> 00:55:28,079
very esoteric subject this um but more

1456
00:55:33,030 --> 00:55:30,960
people as time go on are prepared to

1457
00:55:35,190 --> 00:55:33,040
embrace it and that's the important

1458
00:55:38,230 --> 00:55:35,200
thing it's getting the word out there

1459
00:55:41,430 --> 00:55:38,240
whenever i heard stephen hawking say

1460
00:55:43,349 --> 00:55:41,440
uh ufos are only seen by cranks or

1461
00:55:45,430 --> 00:55:43,359
something like that that was quite

1462
00:55:48,390 --> 00:55:45,440
offensive after seeing one myself well

1463
00:55:49,670 --> 00:55:48,400
it rubs it rubs me up you know really

1464
00:55:50,549 --> 00:55:49,680
badly that

1465
00:55:52,710 --> 00:55:50,559
um

1466
00:55:54,630 --> 00:55:52,720
and you know i mean i i've got to say

1467
00:55:58,470 --> 00:55:54,640
that i mean i i've done

1468
00:56:01,030 --> 00:55:58,480
uh two or three uk broadcasts now uh the

1469
00:56:02,549 --> 00:56:01,040
the britain's closest encounters was was

1470
00:56:04,789 --> 00:56:02,559
a great one to do

1471
00:56:08,150 --> 00:56:04,799
and we have over here in the uk a

1472
00:56:11,109 --> 00:56:08,160
programme called of all things flog it

1473
00:56:13,430 --> 00:56:11,119
which is about antiques of all things

1474
00:56:15,670 --> 00:56:13,440
and they actually did one of these

1475
00:56:18,549 --> 00:56:15,680
programs from warminster

1476
00:56:19,430 --> 00:56:18,559
and it was it's a bbc production

1477
00:56:21,109 --> 00:56:19,440
and

1478
00:56:23,349 --> 00:56:21,119
they asked me to

1479
00:56:24,789 --> 00:56:23,359
to do a little bit to camera

1480
00:56:27,109 --> 00:56:24,799
because what happens with with the

1481
00:56:29,589 --> 00:56:27,119
initial broadcast of this program it

1482
00:56:31,510 --> 00:56:29,599
lasts in the uk without advert breaks as

1483
00:56:35,190 --> 00:56:31,520
i know you have in the states

1484
00:56:36,870 --> 00:56:35,200
45 minutes um and for about 10 minutes

1485
00:56:39,190 --> 00:56:36,880
in the middle there is always a little

1486
00:56:40,390 --> 00:56:39,200
bit about the history of the town where

1487
00:56:42,710 --> 00:56:40,400
they're at

1488
00:56:45,670 --> 00:56:42,720
you know be it you know starbridge

1489
00:56:49,430 --> 00:56:45,680
warminster you know wherever manchester

1490
00:56:52,069 --> 00:56:49,440
and i i did a piece to camera and i was

1491
00:56:54,870 --> 00:56:52,079
expecting it to be really taken with a

1492
00:56:57,430 --> 00:56:54,880
pinch of salt but again these people

1493
00:56:59,510 --> 00:56:57,440
took it exceedingly seriously

1494
00:57:01,349 --> 00:56:59,520
which is which which is a sea change

1495
00:57:03,349 --> 00:57:01,359
from what it was like in the 1970s

1496
00:57:05,349 --> 00:57:03,359
that's right so it's been great speaking

1497
00:57:07,510 --> 00:57:05,359
with you today kevin thank you very much

1498
00:57:08,950 --> 00:57:07,520
martin i really appreciate it and i'm

1499
00:57:10,630 --> 00:57:08,960
sorry it's taken me so long to get

1500
00:57:12,630 --> 00:57:10,640
around to doing it with you

1501
00:57:16,150 --> 00:57:12,640
not at all again if someone wants to see

1502
00:57:19,030 --> 00:57:16,160
your website it's ufo hyphen warminster

1503
00:57:20,789 --> 00:57:19,040
dot co dot uk thanks a lot and take care

1504
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:20,799
thanks martin appreciate it take care